TuneCore Artists’ Music Sales – July 2011

Many blog posters have been suggesting that artists not signed to major labels do not sell music or make money.  Below is a small swatch of sales information for TuneCore Artists only.  It shows what they sold and what they made in July 2011, that ONE MONTH.  I have removed the artists’ names and release info out of respect for their privacy.

Over 99% of these artists are not “signed.”  Also note, these are sales from July, 2011, one of the slower music sales months of the year.

As you would expect, there are a small number of artists making hundreds of thousands of dollars each month and more artists earn less as you move down the list.  But for all those that may comment suggesting most are making less, my response is, you’ve got to be kidding me.

These artists, all of them, are outside of the traditional system.  Some are earning hundreds of thousands and some are earning $20.

And this is bad because…?

With the music industry democratized more artists are making more money than ever before.  All of this money you are seeing is going directly into these artists’ pockets; this is money they would have never ever seen before.

Now add the songwriter money on top of this money.

Someone needs to explain to me why an artist earning something vs. nothing is a bad thing, as I truly cannot understand that logic.  As far as TuneCore, as I have stated over and over, it’s your music that causes it to sell.  It’s up to you to decide if the services and fees TuneCore charges work for you.

No gimmicks, no games, transparency in the way we work.  Arm the artists with info and let them make their own decisions.

Here’s a sample of the data (click the link below to download the full doc):

VIEW FULL SALES REPORT

  • Andy

    Thanks for sharing this. I like doing stats on our sales as well and I was wondering why the stats for Spotify streams take so long to appear in my account. Any reason why it takes them so long to provide their reports? 

    • Anonymous

      if i recall correctly, Spotify pays out within 30 days after each calendar quarter (ie. jan/feb/march sales are paid by Spotify in April/May.
      Just the way they do it…

      jeff

  • http://deltadreams.com Quang Ly

    Nice work fellow artists!!!

  • Travkon

    I think this something i am really interested in and i would love for Jeff @tunecore to shed some light on this. I want to know if and how many of these releases were cover versions released through tunecore. Love  that tunecore took the time out to release this information. 

    • Anonymous

      @travkon

      99% of these songs are original (not covers)

      but there are definitely some covers in there…

      jeff

  • Stefan

    Interesting figures, but where is the transparency? OK you posted your top 6000 ernerrs and they are making money. 935US$ per average, btw. I am not saying this is a bad fugure, this looks good.

    However, you have not reveleaed how many artists are on tunecore as a whole and how much money they are making in avergae. This is pretty important, otherwise the whole Excel file is important.

    Because if tunecore has – say 100.000 Artists – and 94000 are making 5$ on average, than the whole business modell looks very different.

    Therefore, we need a few more frame figures before these numbers really mean anything.

    Stefan

    • Anonymous

      I’m not asking you to analyze TuneCore anymore then I am asking you to analyze how many people buy guitar strings and what the return on investment is for the guitar string manufacturer.
      I am responding to the ridiculous notion that artist cannot sell music without a major record label
      Thank You

      Jeff Price
      http://www.TuneCore.com

      • Stefan

        Hey, we can analyze both, but only if you give us the info to be transparent about it. And maybe you can reveal who your top ten earners are. I have the feeling they are all Ex-Major-Label acts that have been built up previously.

        People should know these things to be ablke to build their own opinion. So, come on: How many artists on tunecore, and how much are they earning in average?

        And, no, I am not saiyng that Artists can not sell music without a major label, but self-promotion is much harder and much more complicated than many people pretend it to be.

        • Anonymous

          @stefan

          All of your points, including the meaningless “averaged earned” question, were answered in the article written and posted here – http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2011/11/blogger-criticizes-artists-for-making-money-tunecore-ceo-jeff-price-responds.html
          Jeff

          • Stefan

            The “average earned” question is not meaningless.

            And again, I am not trying to put down tunecore in any way, But just as you experienced people who say that selfmarketing is impossible, I have experienced a lot of plattform-people (crowdfunding models, etc.) that have said that labels are of no use right now. Neoither of those positions is true. I work as a band manager since 1993 and I think only 10 to 20% of the artists are capable of selfpromoting themselves. And only 2% of all newcomer artists  stand a chance here. Nonetheless, both models, the “label model” and the “selfpromotion model” will have a future.

            Hope we can agree on that.

            “no, none of the top earners are former major label acts”

            Then now I am even more interested in who the top ten are…. ;-)

          • Anonymous

            @Stefan

            I agree with you. An artist needs a team. It could be a “label” or a “manager” or some sort of hybrid, or friends or something else.
            By being educated in the industry, an artist can then determine if someone else is doing the job they were hired to do.
            every band starts with little to no income and/or sales. adding in LadyGaGas and Adele’s income into the pot and then dividing by the number of musicians provides a statistic of no value.
            this article addresses that point in some detail – http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2011/11/blogger-criticizes-artists-for-making-money-tunecore-ceo-jeff-price-responds.html

            jeff

          • Stefan

            “I agree with you. An artist needs a team. It could be a “label” or a
            “manager” or some sort of hybrid, or friends or something else.
            By being educated in the industry, an artist can then determine if someone else is doing the job they were hired to do.”

            Fully acknowledged. Glad we agree here, and thanks for setting the above straight. :-)

          • Anonymous

            @stefan

            this is what we wrote in the article that ran

            I do wish you would read it before commenting

            jeff

          • Stefan

            Jeff,

            I have now read your entire (long) article. I could slap you left and right for quoting this bull**** steve albini blog that is not only 100 years outdated by all figures but that is also a record label bashing that was painting everything in black and white (and shitbrown, for that matter, given his first paragraph). I am not going through the lengths to dissect this albini stupidy, just in five lines:

            Adjust the figures he calculated up and the band wins. Adjust the figures he calcated down and the record label looses. He just adjusted the figures so, that the band barely broke even and ewverybody else made a lot of money. Even then they are a band now selling a quarter million copies of a debut record in the US, meaning probably a billboard chart top thirty positiion in which they can now charge 15,000$+ per show, sell approximately 8,000$ worth of merch per show, etc. The band wins, but Steve Albini still is upset, because nobody likes him as a producer no more.

            Now, to your lengthy text:
            everybody that wants to engage in a PROFESSIONAL music career has to judge the strategy he chooses on an investement/return basis. Yes, there might be some artists that are just happy to show their girlfriends their new Demo-album on iTunes, but I am not talking about those guys. I am talking about guys that give their music careers 3 to 6 years to ultimately take off. They can only spend this time once, while they have another small job, no family yet, etc. They often cant get a seocnd chance.

            And since time is not an endless ressource for them it is absolutely appropriate to judge the business models by their likelyhood to produce a return investement. I run a record label and I consider 40% of our artists we market successes, 60% flops (while there are a lot of artists that are actually somewhere in the middle between “hit” and “flop”, but that is another story). Not all of our artists want to make a living form music, but some can, and they have an extensive career.

            Now, if you look at your numbers, I presume you dont have that kind of return investment with Tunecore. But then, your artists dont have to go through the lengths to find a record label, get signed, etc. So your business model is more open, so everybody has a chance. Nonetheless, the likelyhood of return of their investment in time looks WAY SMALLLER than the bands that have FOUND a record label.

            So dont say that this is situation “better or “worse” than the music industry in 1996.
            We are living in way different times. Artists that are good at marketing, self-organizing, understand social media, and like to work on their own are all invited to try out Tunecore, if they dont expect extreme sales. Artists that like to work with other professionals and dont feel capable of self-marketing should build a network of people that help them and can get things going.

            Both models are NOW available and WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE: It would just help everybody if the people running those businesses would stay straight about the realities in those businesses and the downsides in their own business models.

            I can tell you th downside of a record label: You will have to let other people meddle with your music, make marketing choices for you, and you will make less per record, esepcially once you become successfull. However, the additional salaries in live and merchandising and publshing income might make up for that – if you are good liveband, or if you have radio buzz, etc. still,if there is no trust between label and band, then dnt sign with them. And get a lawyer to check your contract – always!

            Now, jeff, can you be as transparent with ur business models?
            How many artists are on tunecore that dont recoup enough for the initial placement of their records?
            Who are the top ten sellers?

            Please, be transparent.Or discontinue to pretend to be.

          • Anonymous

            @stefan

            i ran a label for 17 years called spinART (Pixies, Apples In Stereo, Echo & The Bunnymen, Eels etc) before starting TuneCore
            I disagree with you, things are better for artists now than they used to be
            I also disagree with you that there is any value to running an “average amount” earned equation. it has no relevancy to whether or not an artist will or will not succeed
            adding Civil Wars sales numbers into someone who sold nothing and saying the average earned is some useless statistic means nothing
            If you want data from from artists as to what they make (for reasons I dont understand as what an artist makes today is may or may not be what they earn tomorrow) you are going to have to reach out to each artist and ask them, not only dont I have the info, it serves no purpose
            Jeff

          • Sherrod Brown

            THIS CLOWN DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING BOUT!!! tunecore is the ABSOLUTE BOMB. And if someone sucks, Ima say it right to their faces. I see no negative. I actually need to do MORE wwith them. I just still have personal fear of investing in myself. Dont be like me in this issue. if you are full of self worth..GO FOR IT. WHY NOT go for it? to continue to see others make money? Listen….how many CD’s have you yourself got from major labels? ZERO in the past years right?

        • Anonymous

          @stefan

          no, none of the top earners are former major label acts

          jeff

          • BoydT

            Then why don’t you release who the acts are then.  I agree with Stefan…you have tons of artists on your site, yet only a handful make decent money.  All of these companies love to “hide” the truth, or make it not seem as obvious to others as it is to actual industry people.  Reminds me of that junky company….oh, ReturdNation, claiming to have over a million artists on their site.  That may be true, but how many are actual active artists on RN?  Probably less than 30% I’d bet.

            Ohhhh, and I just realized some of these aren’t actual original works.  So, let’s not forget the cost of mechanics licenses, etc.

          • Anonymous

            @boydT

            Dont buy music, tell all artists they are going to fail, tell every single artist that has ever existed on this planet not to bother as when they start they make no money.
            I know it took the Police years of slugging it out before they made it. Same with The Beatles, The Stones, Arcade Fire, Radiohead, The Feelies, Buzzcocks, Queen, The Who, Modest Mouse etc etc
            You think Aretha Franklin and Jimmy Hendrix did not bust their asses for years and years and years before they finally made headway?
            How exactly do you think this industry works? We cant all be stars – the world does not work like that. For those that make it, you have to work for it, it does not come free and it does not come easy. Go ahead, call the artists, demand they tell you how much they make. Insist on it so you can tell them they are failures.
            But guess what, each time you poke your head up to slam these artists down, our voice will be right there stating the truth about this industry.
            Hide the truth?

            Ok, here’s some truth – TuneCore charges an annual fee of $49.99 to place your album and $9.99 to place a single into the digital music stores. When your music sells, you get all the money.
            Outside of that, no promises.

            You have a problem with the concept that its not easy, nothing I can do about it.
            And while you degrade artists earning anything, I celebrate it. I think its cool. I think its amazing that this world changed for the better and the changes have only just begun.
            You want to know how much musicians make, ask them.

            You want answers to your questions – take a moment to read the article…

            jeff

          • Sherrod Brown

            TUNECORE!!!! stop responding like some idiot, making 100 bucks a week at mcdonalds! YOU ARE TUNECORE….you shouldnt even be RESPONDING. Speak like what you are…..TUNECORE…a LABEL THREAT. I am a tunecore person. NO, they dont promote. I dont play live, but i see it would be even better if it did. I make money with tunecore. How much? I can pay a couple bills. I am a low income person ANYHOW. so paying a couple bills is a HUGE thing for me. So Bro… let the USERS argue with people…NOT YOU. YOU ARE TUNECORE…talk like it. Lets say you Win this debate…What have you gained financially? anything at all? MAN TAKE YOUR CHECKS AND CASH THEM. I have many former musician friends who talk a big yang about making money “while they sleep”. i show them the path, and Now Im the one hated…Bump them bro. if THIS man cant see it, and assumes you are a sham..Then either MANY MANY PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID TO SAY IT ON THE INTERNET, or HE is a moron who comes after a group no one ELSE is. Look at it this way. UVERSE and COMCAST….Go on facebook. All you see is complaints and more complaints of crap freezing with uverse…THATS THE FACT. they have FAR MORE COMPLAINTS..whats that telling you? It SHOULD tell you DONT GET UVERSE!! Well How many people are saying that tunecore sucks? Not many. SO BUMB THIS DUDE! LOL just that simple. MAN, give me an application! Im coming to work for yall! LOL I am khan flo mah. Google that. if you feel tunecore sucks? Google Khan Flo Mah. When You see google Auto fill that name? KNOW THAT THERE IS A REASON. and I am TUNECORE at 99%. CDbaby has made me literally 20 dollars. I dont play live…I dont sell physical cds. I dont have huge followings. I dont have BIG YOUTUBE HITS…I dont have thousands of facebook fans. I am not young. I am not pretty. And I make money. What if YOU PUSHED? man shut up and make your money. and leave tunecore alone.

        • http://www.facebook.com/ali.lee1 Steve Ali Lee

          In reading this thread I find myself wondering what’s your beef ? Tunecore is not a marketing and promotion company, they are not lawyers, A/R Staff…etc etc. They distribute the music that these talented people make. Most so called artist will make very little in the way of money from their art and most do not have the business savy to make noise even if they have a great song. Why then are you shocked that not many make money ? If we were to do a case study on the top 5 earners on the list I’m sure they either had a team or people within the group that had some understanding of the BUSINESS of MUSIC.

          Something that I want to note is that most of the top 10 earners sold more streams and songs then albums…which means that they are placing music in places where they can gain air play and can possibly make a sale. I think most of us expect that if we just make the music the fame and fortune should follow but it’s not true. Whether you buff floors or make music if you have no one to sell to you can’t make a sale. Conversely, if you provide a poor product, all the marketing and promotion in the world won’t help you. It starts with the product and ends with the user experience.

  • DROWSER

    FUCK TUNECORE! these cock suckers burned me for 20 bucks. they took my payment but gave me no credits at all. i still cant destribute shit. i used a mastercard debit card to pay. n there was an “error” well these lying 2face dirty bitches still havent fixed the error. they still havent paid me back or distrubuted my album. fuck these fools n fuck their site. get the shit right. or make a vicious enemy. u putos cant fuck with me. n u will regret not fixing this. 

    -Drowser

  • http://www.facebook.com/ali.lee1 Steve Ali Lee

    Thanks for sharing…I’m happy to see that the little known artist are making some money. I have a question though, is the Revenue column shown with or without taking Tunecore’s cut ?

    • Anonymous

      @steve

      TuneCore takes no cut. 100% of the money paid out goes to the artist

      The revenue column shows how much the store paid out. Every penny (and fraction thereof) went to the artist
      jeff

      • Michikirsch

        minus the annual $50 set up fee per album (changed from the former $20 without notice), which just made me pull down my entire catalog from tunecore after many happy years :/

        • Anonymous

          @Michikirsch

          the price changes in TuneCore went into effect last April. The pricing is on the homepage, on the blog and should appear next to to each release in your dashboard
          In addition, you should have received multiple emails four weeks prior to any charges
          If you did not get any of these notifications please let me know, its important to me that you get the info.
          jeff

          • Andy

            I don’t understand why people are complaining about this. Tunecore’s model works for some and doesn’t work for others. When I send a CD via the postal service, I have to pay them to deliver the package. Simple. They don’t ask me how much the CD costs and ask for a cut. 
            TuneCore works in the same way. The part I dislike is the annual fee. This is why I have removed our back catalogue from TuneCore. I have that choice. The pricing is transparent. 

            If you sell more than a few hundred dollars worth of music per year, you’re better off paying a flat fee to TuneCore. If you don’t, then use CD baby or someone else, or just take your music down from iTunes. No one’s forcing you to put your music on iTunes, and no one is preventing you from doing so either.  

            As a note to Jeff, I think you should do something about the annual fees.  I doubt I’m the only one who is going to be using TuneCore for the album release and then switching to someone else after a year. Just saying.

            Cheers,
            Andy

          • Anonymous

            @andy

            you’re absolutely correct. We have to earn the right to have you choose TuneCore
            The reason for the annual fee is due to ongoing costs we incur (storage, accounting, adding new stores, copyright infringement protection, marketing of your music, business development deals, on-going artist support, being your legal representation, chasing stores for payments, changes to releases once they are live, added features, streaming media player costs and so on).
            TuneCore is a global team/back office that works for you

            But I do absolutely understand, it has to be a fit for you

            Jeff

          • Andy

            Sure, I understand you have all those costs. But none of those things really benefits a back catalogue that doesn’t sell that much. Most sales take place in the first 6 months after the album release, at least in our case, that seems to be the case.

            If you reduce the price for the annual maintenance, it’s more likely that people like me will stay on, to avoid the bother of putting the music on a new store, which will save you the bother of having to remove the music from all of those stores as well. 

            Based on the numbers you published here, there seems to be a lot of people earning small amounts. Sooner or later, they’re gonna wake up and remove their music. 

            I’ve been with you guys for a long time now. I was customer #23! So this is just a friendly heads up that I think you’re on the wrong track.

            Andy

          • JeffCore

            i hear you loud and clear.

            sadly, it costs us money and time to chase down stores to get your money, making sure someone is not infringing on your copyright and dealing with it if they are, building the tech needed to deliver your music to new distribution outlets etc

            I wish I could make it all free, I can’t. But what I can do is provide for you an entire global team that works on your behalf.

            I do understand that this will not work for everyone – but I honest to god will do the best I can

            jeff

          • Michikirsch

            Yes, I had no notice whatsoever. In addition it took 3 mails to customer support, threatening grave action in the last one, to even get a response on reverting the $50 fees I was charged on automatic renewal on several releases.
            Eventually, this was handled correctly and fees were reverted, but it certainly left a really bad taste in my mouth. I really don’t want to believe it was designed to play out like that – with most account holders not putting up a fight – but at the time it was hard not to. The writing is on the wall with no fee services emerging, the easy way is to do what the majors do – milk it while you can.A 150% increase in fees is not justified by a few new widgets that I wouldn’t even use.If you have a catalog of several artists in tunecore’s system, there will be those albums who can’t amortize those fees. Those are some of the best records though. Should they not be exposed to the public?I signed up with you guys as soon as my exclusive deals with Emusic ran out many years ago and recommended you to tons of people back then. Sadly, I couldn’t do that today anymore. Fees should go down, not up.

          • Anonymous

            two replies

            first, im stunned you did not get notice as its everywhere in the site, next to each release on your dashboard and emails go out automatically starting four weeks ahead f time
            something did not work. that aint right, Im going to make certain that does not happen again.
            Second, TuneCore has to work for you. It cannot be what I think should work for you. You are the customer, I am here to serve you. Your opinions are, by default, right, as they are your opinions.
            As you have been extremely honest and open with me, I hope you dont mind me being honest back.
            When I started TuneCore 5 1/2 years ago, it was the first time any artist could gain access to distribution, keep all their rights, get all their money. I made the pricing up while I was taking a shower. It used to be $7.98 per release per year + $0.99 a song + $0.99 for each store you wanted to the release to go to. As I added more stores, the price started to climb. It did not feel like it to people as it was a-la-carte, but they were paying more than we charge now. Over the years I fiddled with other pricing trying to keep costs down while improving the system. I added more al-la-carte, and then people were paying over $65 on average. It just felt wrong to me. So I did what I could to lower pricing while adding more.
            That being said, this is the part I think you are not going to like. Sometimes, I don’t get it. That is, I ran a label for 20 years. My entire life from college though now life I have been surrounded by musicians. When they gig, they blow more than $50 in one night on beer. Many will Fed Ex masters and art for over $50 and think nothing of it. Than there are the fuzz pedals, Pro Tools, guitars and all the other gear costing hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
            Then there are all the other things paid for from time to time – pizza, beer, movies, Berklee school of music, pot, video games and so on.
            And somehow many of those things are OK to spend money on, but $49 ($4 or so dollars a month) for worldwide distribution of an album, collection of all the money, storage, new stores, new technology, protection of your copyrights, having a team – your own record label with a staff there to help and support you – is too high?
            Im sorry, I truly am. I want this to work for you. I want you to think of it the way I do but I can see you do not value it the same way. The TuneCore staff is your staff, they work for you. They yell at retail stores on your behalf, they chase people down and get your money, they fight for you to get better payout rates, they will go to the matt for you to fix any problem, provide information, make changes or take on someone or something that is trying to take advantage of you.
            For about $4 a month for an album.

            We are the best in the world at what we do and we work for you. Every day, in and out. Your music, your art, deserves it. I owe it to you.
            I wish I could make it free, I truly do, I can’t. All of this stuff costs money. But what I can do is improve, provide more outlets, more value and services. Launch new things to get more of your money (click here for more info – http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/07/how-they-legally-steal-your-money.html )

            Hire new people to market and promote your music – click here to see the results http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/07/tunecore-artists-featured-in-digital-stores-july-2011.html

            Hire people to create deals with brands on your behalf – click here to learn about what our EVP Business Development/Integrated Brand Marketing does for you (starts at about 26 minutes) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wldRBmNGMj8

            Robbery to me is when someone lies or steals from you – click here to see how they do that – http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/07/how-they-legally-steal-your-money.html

            and here – http://blog.tunecore.com/2011/07/using-complex-copyright-law-to-take-advantage-of-artists.html

            Robbery is not when you are clear, open and transparent, provide information and give the artist the information to make the decisions they believe are best for them.

            There are so many things I see musicians spend $50 on a year – sometimes I am stunned at how they value three beers and a large pepperoni pizza more than what we do.

            But its moot, as I am here to serve you. You have to agree with me, and you dont. There are other things you think are worth $50 a year, having worldwide distribution, keeping your rights, getting all the money from the sale of your music, have a full team working to market and promote your music while protecting your copyrights and more is not worth it to you.

            I wish to god I could change your mind, I understand I can’t.

            All I can say is we are here if you want us to be there for you if you would like to stay with us.

            jeff

          • Michikirsch

            Hey Jeff,

            First off, I really appreciate you answering the comments here in person. It’s a testament to openness. I didn’t come here to blog this story at all, I actually stumbled on the page researching something else and felt compelled to leave my initial comment.

            I have run independent labels for some 20 years too, in addition to a bunch of other stuff including consulting digital music services, so we have a few things in common and my mind is also buried pretty deep in this matter : )

            But on to my reply: I would have contemplated your new payment model if I had had the chance – I didn’t, I was auto-renewed on the new price.

            What made me pull my catalog was the style of no notice and no answer to several emails, not necessarily the price increase per se.

            Had I had the chance to contemplate, these would have been my thoughts:

            In the old model, I only selected a handful of stores for my releases – the other options didn’t justify the expense (I tried them out), so my average annual cost was about $25 per release. The fee increase to $50 would have felt hefty without a doubt, but I have made reasonable money with TC, and I may have decided to leave the good earner releases in your system, while taking out the ones that weren’t worth keeping in there.
            After a while I might have grown tired of dealing with two services and I may have moved all my releases to a different service, just for convenience.

            Or, I would have moved all my releases to a free outlet and put out the word “If you want this music, buy it direct – eff iTunes”.

            In the end it’s not the amount, as you point out correctly – we all spend more on all kinds of stuff. It’s the numbers that need to add up for people. It’s the old rule “Don’t pay to play”. If I spend $50 more on mastering, it’s to make the music sound better. But distribution is not about art, it’s about numbers. Your current fee model puts releases that don’t sell well in the red, it’s that simple.

            A tiered fee model for lower selling releases might be a good idea, it would allow you to retain fee income from those releases while keeping fees for well selling releases at the premium level.

            I truly loved TCs concept from the start. I hope you understand why the above experience was a bit of a turn off. I’m willing to believe it was an honest oversight.
            If you want to continue this conversation, you are welcome to email me directly.

            Michael 

          • Anonymous

            @Michikirsh

            First, high five to running a label for 20 years. A pure labor of passion and love.
            You should have been contacted. You should have had a quick response. I am angry that these things did not happen and frankly, I agree with you.
            This is not what was supposed to happen. Im sorry it did. I asked the Artist/Label Support team to reach out to you today. If they do not, please let me know.
            In regards to the catalog, I hear you. I would like to think the other things we do have TuneCore provide the services and value you need to justify hiring us. As an example, for me, the accounting system at TuneCore would have saved me hundreds of dollars a year on bookkeepers and/or time in preparing royalty statements.
            Unfortunately, it may be we are not a one size fits all (but Im trying). I would have killed to have had a flat distribution fee at the start of each year. If I had x number of albums and it cost me $y amount of dollars, and I knew that up front, it would have allowed me to make the sort of decisions you are now making. Transparency, flat rates allow artists and labels to actually know their costs and make choices as to what will work best for them
            If the TuneCore accounting system, storage of your assets, higher pay out rates than others, copyright infringement team (blah blah, I know I am running on and on here) do not provide the service you need, I completely understand
            But I will add one more thought into the mix – having the best in the world work for you, knowing that if anything goes wrong you have a team that will work to fix it – is another value/service that TuneCore provides.
            It seems moot, until something happens (like someone else tries to distribute your masters and/or does not pay. Or a new store pops up that you want to get into ASAP, or you want to know you are getting the best possible pay out rate possible).
            But again, if its not what you need/want, then I agree, you should not pay.
            jeff

          • Michikirsch

            Thanks for having your support team reach out, they did contact me.

            I’m fully aware of the great service you guys are providing, I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to offer a stripped down version of those services for those who aren’t able to make those services work financially? You mention the benefit of detailed accounting, but if I was an independent artist, owning my own music and songs, I wouldn’t benefit from that at all – I wouldn’t account to anyone. Yet, I’d be forced to pay for it. How many of TCs customers are in that position? My guess is a majority.

            You were able to offer a stripped down service for half the fee less than 12 months ago. Why not continue to offer this as choice? If you want artists in control, give them that choice.

            You are probably well aware of declining iTunes sales. This trend will most likely continue with cloud based streaming services taking over. Yet it takes 10,000 album streams on Spotify for rights holders to make $1. In the long run, do you think the current TC fee model can be justified?

            With the value of recorded music deteriorating, live concerts become the only legitimate source of revenue for artists and recordings are reduced to a mere marketing tool, a calling card. I don’t like this one bit more than you do, but there is no fight to win here for us. If you want to loose a battle, pick a fight with progress.

            Michael

          • Anonymous

            it might not be a fit for you, i understand that, but I disagree that that the service we created is not of value.
            As one point, the accounting system needed to ingest and display spotify and other streaming services is far more complex than iTunes. Thus the reason for the re-factoring of the entire code base and technology around this.
            jeff

          • Michikirsch

            I didn’t say the service is not of value, it’s not of the $ value you are charging for those who don’t benefit enough from it.

            Your customers will be glad to have the choice to migrate to another service like IODA or CDBaby depending on their situation, IF you give them that choice and don’t just auto-renew at a higher fee without prior notice. Here’s a good link for those who think about migrating and need to run those numbers: http://digitalaudioinsider.blogspot.com/2011_05_01_archive.html

          • Anonymous

            @Michikirsch

            Gotta disagree with you. I dont think you are qualified to determine what is or is not best for anyone
            EIther am I.

            You provide choices, information, transparency. Do what you say the way you say
            The artists will let you know if they like what you have to offer

            If not, you adjust or die

            My focus, being the best in the world at what we do, providing a global infrastructure for all artists. Serve them, dont demand ownership of their copyrights. Provide transparency and dont ever ever say you can do something for them that you cannot guarantee.
            Work you butt of for them, provide them information needed to make decisions
            If you yourself, dont like our service, that’s fine, start your own. Competition in the market is a good thing – it forces us all to be better, strive further, to get innovative
            TuneCore Artists are free to pick and choose whomever they want – there is no exclusivity, they can cancel whenever they like
            I for one will not ever do a back-end model, I will not stick meat hooks into an artist and sit back and take unlimited amounts of money from them when they succeed anymore than Gibson would
            Once you remove this component of the industry, it removes all the evils that come with it.
            Also – im not sure your argument that all artists are going to fail therefore dont use TuneCore is one that resonates

            Jeff

          • Michikirsch

            Somehow 

            I don’t feelheardor understood. Stayhappychantingyour mantra;)

          • Jhbohlen

            Hey Jeff,

            When you try to justify your costs by saying someone is spending more on beer that’s realy a turn off for everybody. If you REALLY care about the artists and not your pockets, then you should come up with a business model that doesn’t break the pockets of the artists that don’t sell. How many are actually paying you the fee for the second year if they haven’t made a sale? Or sold for less than $100 per year? The bottom line is, the MAJORITY of artists don’t sell, that’s why you charge an yearly fee, otherwise you’d charge a percentage of the sale. CD Baby’s model works better for these type of artists, since they only charge a one time fee for each album and then a percentage for each sale. Now, of course, if my album would start making 6 digit figures, then I’d gladly switch to TuneCore. So why not have both and make TuneCore the best? Charge a one time fee for the albums that sell for less than (let’s say $500 a year) and then a percentage of the sale, and for your high rollers the anual fee. 

          • Anonymous

            @Jhbohlen

            Its very simple, to have customers, you must create something of value for them.
            If they value it, they use it, if they dont, they dont

            Im just not following your anger.

            Our product and service is simple – TuneCore will work for you, distribute your music and provide an entire back-end infrastructure and team for you for a simple flat rate
            you keep your copyrights, your keep all the money when the music sells
            thats it.

            If this service is not a fit for you, ok. If it is, it would be a privilege to work for you
            It might be hard for you to believe, but I started this company based on a moral stance – not a profit margin
            All artists should be allowed access to distribution while keeping their rights and getting 100% of the money from the sale of the music.
            So I built something around my belief

            If you dont want flat rate pricing and want to give up rights and/or an unlimited amount of revenue to someone else, that’s your choice.
            With TuneCore, its simple – its $49.99 a year for an album and $9.99 a year for a single.

            Flat rate, clear, honest, transparent.

            You get what you pay for from the entity on the planet that does it better than anyone else.

            If this is not a service you want, you should not buy it, anymore than you should buy a keyboard when you want a guitar

            jeff

  • http://cdmusicmastering.com Big Label Sound

    Wow!   I definitely commend you on showing the sales report data!

  • Cinzia Parolini

    Could you clarify if the data of the table are for the only month of July, or from January to July

  • Bob

    Are these figures by Artist/album or by account?

    • tunecore

      These figures include individual artists as well as artists on an account.

  • Evren

    @6562f535ed7d338c997866c5ffbb856d:disqus you are ignorant. You think TuneCore are helping you with promotion etc. THATS YOUR JOB! They are simply here to help you to distribute your music to the whole work. Its YOUR job to make the music sound good and promote it well. Get that in to your head. You think that you are saved and all that when you post your music through TuneCore. NO! It is again, YOUR JOB to make the money NOT TuneCore, they are DISTRIBUTING your music. How ignorant are you? How closed minded are you? I dont even think TuneCore has to defend or answer your ignorance, but they do! And you DONT understand yet? Jesus Christ.

  • ScamFree

    I made 90 cents one time… FUNNY THING WAS, I HAD LIKE 6 FRIENDS WHO SAID THEY BAUGHT IT. -.-